Comments on: Gluten Free Pizza from Dominos – but it may contain traces of gluten. http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/ Some day we will sleep... Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:35:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: Veronica http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-30169 Veronica Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:28:31 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-30169 Kelly - I've removed your latest comment, as well as parts of the previous comment because I don't think it's neccesary to post addresses of a business here, nor do I think we need to be calling people 'jerks'. Kelly – I’ve removed your latest comment, as well as parts of the previous comment because I don’t think it’s neccesary to post addresses of a business here, nor do I think we need to be calling people ‘jerks’.

]]> By: Kelly http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-30123 Kelly Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:47:52 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-30123 Julie, Sorry for the delay in my reply I have assumed that you are a coeliac all along. You seem very knowledgeable about the subject and very aware of a gluten free lifestyle. Your grammar, spelling and punctuation could use some further refinement. Yes I am the kelly who owns the BLOG site, which you will find by clicking on my name at the top left corner of this comment. The address of the mentioned business is: <strong> [Edited by admin to remove content I deem inflammatory] </strong> The legal age for employment is as follows in various states (QLD is in <b>bold</b> type as this is the particular state I am referring to with regard to particular state). <i>The minimum age of employment can vary across Australia because it is governed by different State based legislative requirements. NSW, NT, SA, TAS The minimum age of employment outside school hours is 14 years of age for casual and part time employees. It is our policy that if you are 14 years of age, but not yet 14 years and 9 months that: Your parent or guardian provides written consent for you to start work You must be able to demonstrate during the interview that you have the ability to handle difficult situations and the skill to fulfil the required positions. VIC In Victoria, the employment of children is governed by the Child Employment Act 2003 which states that the minimum age of employment is 15 years of age. <b>QLD In Queensland, the employment of children is governed by the Child Employment Act 2006. The Act requires employees who are under 16 years of age and have not yet finished Year 10, to provide parental consent to commence work. Employees under 16 may only work 12 hours during a school week (38 hours a week during school holidays), with each shift being a maximum of 4 hours Monday to Friday and 8 hours Saturday and Sunday. All hours of work must be between 6am and 10pm.</b> WA In Western Australia, the employment of children is governed by the Children and Community Services Act 2004 and the School Education Act 1999, which state that the minimum age of employment is 15 years of age. Employees who are under 15 years of age need to provide parental consent to commence work and may only work between 6am and 10pm if the work is outside of school hours. Legislation also requires compulsory attendance at school for children up to the year they turn 17. Employees under 17 years of age may not work during school. ACT In the Australian Capital Territory, the employment of children is governed by The Children and Young People Act 2008. The recommended minimum age for full time employment in ACT is school leaving age (ie. 15 years of age). It is possible to be employed below this age for a maximum of 10 hours per week. However, if you wish to be employed for more than 10 hours per week, prior approval must be obtained from the Chief Executive of the Department of Housing, Disability and Community Services. right to work in Australia It is a legal requirement that all employees have the right to work in Australia, If you are invited to an interview, you will need to demonstrate your right to work in Australia by providing an original of one of the following documents: Australia Passport Australia Citizenship Certificate and photo ID Australian Birth Certificate (the birth certificate must show that at least one parent was born in Australia. If it does not, you will also be required to provide one parent’s current Australia Citizenship Certificate or Permanent Residence Visa) New Zealand Passport with Australian Immigration Entry Stamp Foreign Passport with Permanent Residency Visa Foreign Passport with Visa work conditions 8104, 8105, 8108 </i> Laws on gluten free labelling are here (sourced from FSANZ website): <i>"Clause 16 of Standard 1.2.8 sets out the conditions for making claims in relation to the gluten content of a food. Under subclause 16(2) a ‘gluten free’ claim can be made if the food contains no detectable gluten and no oats or malt."</i> Do you ever look at the labelling laws behind gluten free food, or do you rely entirely on the Coeliac Society? If you did, you would realise that it is illegal to use the 'gluten free' label unless the food is guaranteed to contain absolutely NO wheat, rye, barley or oats at all. Unfortunately this means that businesses cannot exploit the term 'gluten free' unless they can guarantee particular foods with that mention on them to be exactly that - gluten free. The coeliac society provide disclaimers themselves advising members to not solely rely on their advice. All they are is a so-called support group for coeliacs. Please do pass on the cross-contamination notice to Roscoe's as I was very disappointed about my experience there. (As for nut free - silly yak bakery in Melbourne is advertised as 100% peanut free. Happy tums is advertised as a 'no nuts' business as well as 'gluten free http://happytums.com/ (<strong>Happy tums is GREAT! If you want true gluten free, go there. They will make sure you're well looked after! They're also soy free, Amy so if you ever go up to QLD don't go past them!</strong>)) Julie,
Sorry for the delay in my reply
I have assumed that you are a coeliac all along. You seem very knowledgeable about the subject and very aware of a gluten free lifestyle.
Your grammar, spelling and punctuation could use some further refinement.
Yes I am the kelly who owns the BLOG site, which you will find by clicking on my name at the top left corner of this comment.
The address of the mentioned business is:

[Edited by admin to remove content I deem inflammatory]

The legal age for employment is as follows in various states (QLD is in bold type as this is the particular state I am referring to with regard to particular state).

The minimum age of employment can vary across Australia because it is governed by different State based legislative requirements.

NSW, NT, SA, TAS
The minimum age of employment outside school hours is 14 years of age for casual and part time employees. It is our policy that if you are 14 years of age, but not yet 14 years and 9 months that:

Your parent or guardian provides written consent for you to start work
You must be able to demonstrate during the interview that you have the ability to handle difficult situations and the skill to fulfil the required positions.

VIC
In Victoria, the employment of children is governed by the Child Employment Act 2003 which states that the minimum age of employment is 15 years of age.

QLD
In Queensland, the employment of children is governed by the Child Employment Act 2006. The Act requires employees who are under 16 years of age and have not yet finished Year 10, to provide parental consent to commence work.

Employees under 16 may only work 12 hours during a school week (38 hours a week during school holidays), with each shift being a maximum of 4 hours Monday to Friday and 8 hours Saturday and Sunday.

All hours of work must be between 6am and 10pm.

WA
In Western Australia, the employment of children is governed by the Children and Community Services Act 2004 and the School Education Act 1999, which state that the minimum age of employment is 15 years of age.

Employees who are under 15 years of age need to provide parental consent to commence work and may only work between 6am and 10pm if the work is outside of school hours.

Legislation also requires compulsory attendance at school for children up to the year they turn 17.

Employees under 17 years of age may not work during school.

ACT
In the Australian Capital Territory, the employment of children is governed by The Children and Young People Act 2008.

The recommended minimum age for full time employment in ACT is school leaving age (ie. 15 years of age). It is possible to be employed below this age for a maximum of 10 hours per week. However, if you wish to be employed for more than 10 hours per week, prior approval must be obtained from the Chief Executive of the Department of Housing, Disability and Community Services.
right to work in Australia
It is a legal requirement that all employees have the right to work in Australia, If you are invited to an interview, you will need to demonstrate your right to work in Australia by providing an original of one of the following documents:

Australia Passport
Australia Citizenship Certificate and photo ID
Australian Birth Certificate (the birth certificate must show that at least one parent was born in Australia. If it does not, you will also be required to provide one parent’s current Australia Citizenship Certificate or Permanent Residence Visa)
New Zealand Passport with Australian Immigration Entry Stamp
Foreign Passport with Permanent Residency Visa
Foreign Passport with Visa work conditions 8104, 8105, 8108

Laws on gluten free labelling are here (sourced from FSANZ website):

“Clause 16 of Standard 1.2.8 sets out the conditions for making claims in relation to the gluten content of a food. Under subclause 16(2) a ‘gluten free’ claim can be made if the food contains no detectable gluten and no oats or malt.”

Do you ever look at the labelling laws behind gluten free food, or do you rely entirely on the Coeliac Society? If you did, you would realise that it is illegal to use the ‘gluten free’ label unless the food is guaranteed to contain absolutely NO wheat, rye, barley or oats at all. Unfortunately this means that businesses cannot exploit the term ‘gluten free’ unless they can guarantee particular foods with that mention on them to be exactly that – gluten free. The coeliac society provide disclaimers themselves advising members to not solely rely on their advice. All they are is a so-called support group for coeliacs.

Please do pass on the cross-contamination notice to Roscoe’s as I was very disappointed about my experience there.

(As for nut free – silly yak bakery in Melbourne is advertised as 100% peanut free. Happy tums is advertised as a ‘no nuts’ business as well as ‘gluten free http://happytums.com/
(Happy tums is GREAT! If you want true gluten free, go there. They will make sure you’re well looked after! They’re also soy free, Amy so if you ever go up to QLD don’t go past them!))

]]> By: Julie http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-29969 Julie Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:52:48 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-29969 Kelly re: Point 2 Do you assume that I am not a Coeliac?? As we have 8 members of my immediate family with Coeliac Disease, I am very aware of a Gluten Free LIFESTYLE. As stated, I am a member of a very large group of Coeliacs who meet on a monthly basis to discuss new products, restaurants, food outlets, cooking at home, eating out, living with non Coeliacs, HAVING A SOCIAL LIFE and all things GLUTEN FREE. You made the comment that 'You went to a very backward area' my God what a negative statement for the education of our disease in living a social life. I have contacted a few Gluten Free Pizza manufacturers and have obtained a cross contamination format that I would be glad to pass on to the so called backward business that you mentioned if you would post the address. I would hope that you also pass on to the government and relevant agencies the child labour that you refer to. However, I can't go past the fact that if you are the same Kelly that has posted above and Re June 18th has the BLOG site. Why would you even go into any pizza restaurant, chain or outlet for your own personal distain to finding any possibility of CROSS CONTAMINATION. As a very long time Coeliac I have never seen a restaurant, food outlet, or home delivery service advertise or place a disclaimer that they are Nut Free. Sealed manufactured products do. Maybe like the Coeliac's that I mix with we observe Personal choice and productive eduction as I mentioned in my previous comments. Most businesses are on a steep learning curve in relation to Gluten Free Food. I have also watched that any business that has opened as Totally Gluten Free as closed within a short period of time. (never seen a business totally nut free) My advice would be to stay away from Pizza, unless you make it at home. If you eat out and they state GF make a decision that you feel comfortable that they look like they know what they are doing OR LEAVE. Most of us have done this for a long period of time and raised our children to do the same. Kelly re: Point 2 Do you assume that I am not a Coeliac??
As we have 8 members of my immediate family with Coeliac Disease, I am very aware of a Gluten Free LIFESTYLE.
As stated, I am a member of a very large group of Coeliacs who meet on a monthly basis to discuss new products, restaurants, food outlets, cooking at home, eating out, living with non Coeliacs, HAVING A SOCIAL LIFE and all things GLUTEN FREE.
You made the comment that ‘You went to a very backward area’ my God what a negative statement for the education of our disease in living a social life.
I have contacted a few Gluten Free Pizza manufacturers and have obtained a cross contamination format that I would be glad to pass on to the so called backward business that you mentioned if you would post the address.
I would hope that you also pass on to the government and relevant agencies the child labour that you refer to.
However, I can’t go past the fact that if you are the same Kelly that has posted above and Re June 18th has the BLOG site.
Why would you even go into any pizza restaurant, chain or outlet for your own personal distain to finding any possibility of CROSS CONTAMINATION.
As a very long time Coeliac I have never seen a restaurant, food outlet, or home delivery service advertise or place a disclaimer that they are Nut Free. Sealed manufactured products do.
Maybe like the Coeliac’s that I mix with we observe Personal choice and productive eduction as I mentioned in my previous comments. Most businesses are on a steep learning curve in relation to Gluten Free Food.
I have also watched that any business that has opened as Totally Gluten Free as closed within a short period of time. (never seen a business totally nut free)
My advice would be to stay away from Pizza, unless you make it at home.
If you eat out and they state GF make a decision that you feel comfortable that they look like they know what they are doing OR LEAVE.
Most of us have done this for a long period of time and raised our children to do the same.

]]> By: Kelly http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-29952 Kelly Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:03:23 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-29952 Julie, I've just read your comment and have some concerns: 1. We can live a normal social life with dietary restrictions. That, for me, is barely an issue of all issues for me. Remember, we should eat to live; not live to eat. 2. Legally, a product or foodservice outlet may only legally use the term 'gluten free' (with reference to a particular product) if the product is 100% guaranteed gluten free. Coeliac disease is not simply an intolerance to gluten. Individuals with this disease must exclude all gluten from their diets. 3. You can tell them... ...and tell them... ...and tell them... until you're blue in the face about it. [I recently visited a family-owned pizza venue in a very backward area of Australia. There was a sign out front that said "GLUTEN FREE PIZZAS AVAILABLE!" Kids of about 9 or 10 years old were working there because they can't get any better workers in this sort of community. They offer gluten free bases that are bought in. There was very little knowledge amongst these kids about 'gluten free' so the manager came out to talk with me. I asked about gluten free toppings. He said there was no guarantee and was surprised I was so sensitive to gluten. We discussed some of the toppings ingredients etc. and found some that were safe. He then dropped the gluten free base in a heap of flour to dust it. I told him he'd have to start again because it was no longer gluten free due to contamination. He told me he had basically had enough and that I would either get it 'pretty gluten free' or 'not at all'. I chose the latter and refused to pay. The manager was annoyed I wasted his time but after all, if the term GLUTEN FREE is going to be used, it should be used legally and properly]. Julie, I’ve just read your comment and have some concerns:

1. We can live a normal social life with dietary restrictions. That, for me, is barely an issue of all issues for me. Remember, we should eat to live; not live to eat.

2. Legally, a product or foodservice outlet may only legally use the term ‘gluten free’ (with reference to a particular product) if the product is 100% guaranteed gluten free. Coeliac disease is not simply an intolerance to gluten. Individuals with this disease must exclude all gluten from their diets.

3. You can tell them…
…and tell them…
…and tell them…
until you’re blue in the face about it. [I recently visited a family-owned pizza venue in a very backward area of Australia. There was a sign out front that said "GLUTEN FREE PIZZAS AVAILABLE!" Kids of about 9 or 10 years old were working there because they can't get any better workers in this sort of community. They offer gluten free bases that are bought in. There was very little knowledge amongst these kids about 'gluten free' so the manager came out to talk with me. I asked about gluten free toppings. He said there was no guarantee and was surprised I was so sensitive to gluten. We discussed some of the toppings ingredients etc. and found some that were safe. He then dropped the gluten free base in a heap of flour to dust it. I told him he'd have to start again because it was no longer gluten free due to contamination. He told me he had basically had enough and that I would either get it 'pretty gluten free' or 'not at all'. I chose the latter and refused to pay. The manager was annoyed I wasted his time but after all, if the term GLUTEN FREE is going to be used, it should be used legally and properly].

]]> By: Kelly http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-29884 Kelly Sun, 11 Jul 2010 07:59:26 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-29884 I also found a manufactured cookie (factory-made) which declared itself as gluten free (and had a disclaimer on the back of it that there may be traces of gluten in it). click on my name to view my site for more information! I also found a manufactured cookie (factory-made) which declared itself as gluten free (and had a disclaimer on the back of it that there may be traces of gluten in it). click on my name to view my site for more information!

]]> By: Kelly http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-29883 Kelly Sun, 11 Jul 2010 07:57:22 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-29883 I have updated my hub. Three pizza outlets have been mentioned, one of which actually claims that the pizzas are gluten free (Gluten Free sticker on box) yet they can't guarantee a 100% gluten free environment. Information on the following three pizza outlets is now available for your information: Crust Gourmet Pizza Bar (these guys really disgust me) Eagle Boys Pizza Domino's Pizza I have updated my hub. Three pizza outlets have been mentioned, one of which actually claims that the pizzas are gluten free (Gluten Free sticker on box) yet they can’t guarantee a 100% gluten free environment. Information on the following three pizza outlets is now available for your information:

Crust Gourmet Pizza Bar (these guys really disgust me)
Eagle Boys Pizza
Domino’s Pizza

]]> By: Jason (aka kiwipride) http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-29536 Jason (aka kiwipride) Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:11:59 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-29536 Julie, all we wamt to be able to do is go out and eat with our familes and trust that when a business says their food is GF, that is actually is. Simple isn't it? Julie, all we wamt to be able to do is go out and eat with our familes and trust that when a business says their food is GF, that is actually is. Simple isn’t it?

]]> By: Jason (aka kiwipride) http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-29535 Jason (aka kiwipride) Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:10:31 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-29535 Veronica, please DON'T close this thread as hearing from people like you keeps my morale up! Veronica, please DON’T close this thread as hearing from people like you keeps my morale up!

]]> By: kim(frogpondsrock) http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-29533 kim(frogpondsrock) Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:48:41 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-29533 Julie, this whole debate is becoming very tiresome. if you actually READ the post you would see that it isn't about the coeliacs society, god bless their little hearts. It is about false advertising and our need to be able to trust the labelling laws implicitly. This whole comment thread is becoming very tedious and as Veronica's mother I find your comment especially offensive. But at the end of the day I can walk away from this discussion and not give you another thought because I actually have a life. Veronica, sweetheart I know you like to give people a chance to air their views no matter how puerile they may be but I think it is time to close comments on this post. Julie, this whole debate is becoming very tiresome. if you actually READ the post you would see that it isn’t about the coeliacs society, god bless their little hearts.

It is about false advertising and our need to be able to trust the labelling laws implicitly.

This whole comment thread is becoming very tedious and as Veronica’s mother I find your comment especially offensive. But at the end of the day I can walk away from this discussion and not give you another thought because I actually have a life.

Veronica, sweetheart I know you like to give people a chance to air their views no matter how puerile they may be but I think it is time to close comments on this post.

]]> By: Becky http://somedaywewillsleep.com/gluten-free-pizza-from-dominos-but-it-may-contain-traces-of-gluten/comment-page-2/#comment-29527 Becky Fri, 02 Jul 2010 13:53:08 +0000 http://somedaywewillsleep.com/?p=2559#comment-29527 Julie--- It wasn't really Veronica that pointed out that the businesses are run by 15 year olds/kids... it's me. I've worked for Domino's in the past MUCH longer than I really care to admit. It's actually decent money if you hustle... and most of the people there do hustle. Admittedly, in the current economy here in the US the trend towards older drivers is rising slightly (it's been awhile since we've had someone under 20 answer our door), but still--- if you don't get the pizzas out the door FAST (and try to sneak a double/triple run) then you aren't making good money. There's only one pizza prep area, and depending on the size of the store there will be 1-2 pizza flippers, 1-2 toppers, 1-2 guys running the oven. The delivery drivers depends on the night and the size of the area that particular Domino's covers. The trays and utensils are all kept in the front, within reach, because when it's busy, it's BUSY. On a Friday/Saturday night, or a Two for Tuesday night, even in some of the smaller stores the order screen will sometimes be 20 deep. Where do they store the gluten-free pizza screens? How do they keep them from getting all mixed in with the others? When the guy covering the oven pulls out the pizza, does he use a separate spatula? if so... where does he store it? When it's busy, if you leave the oven even for a SECOND the pizzas start backing up, and then crumpling into each other as they come out of the oven. I dunno--- maybe the stores in my current area are filled with magical people who love their minimum wage job and don't care about paying rent. But even aside from the whole money aspect, keeping the store running smoothly is a matter of pride, and those gluten-free pizzas are rare enough that they probably back things up. I just can't see the whole store shutting down for the necessary time it would take to make sure everything is gluten-free, and I don't know where else they would prepare the pizza other than the prep counter. I hope it's not the back--- Oh, Geez. PLEASE don't be the back. We always scored in the high 90s for cleanliness in all the stores I worked, but man..... EW. That back was always NASTY. You know what might be an interesting test, now that I think of it? Call Dominos A on a slow day (about noon on a Monday would be best) and ask the manager how/where they prepare the pizzas. Just ask him calmly, and don't push or make him suspicious. Then pick Domino's B about 6pm on a Friday night (or whenever your local Domino's is busiest over there) and then phone in your gluten-free pizza order from your car. Then you can go inside and sit and see how the follow-through is. I bet it's not great :P Heck, maybe I'll do it, just to assuage my curiosity. Julie— It wasn’t really Veronica that pointed out that the businesses are run by 15 year olds/kids… it’s me. I’ve worked for Domino’s in the past MUCH longer than I really care to admit. It’s actually decent money if you hustle… and most of the people there do hustle. Admittedly, in the current economy here in the US the trend towards older drivers is rising slightly (it’s been awhile since we’ve had someone under 20 answer our door), but still— if you don’t get the pizzas out the door FAST (and try to sneak a double/triple run) then you aren’t making good money. There’s only one pizza prep area, and depending on the size of the store there will be 1-2 pizza flippers, 1-2 toppers, 1-2 guys running the oven. The delivery drivers depends on the night and the size of the area that particular Domino’s covers. The trays and utensils are all kept in the front, within reach, because when it’s busy, it’s BUSY.

On a Friday/Saturday night, or a Two for Tuesday night, even in some of the smaller stores the order screen will sometimes be 20 deep. Where do they store the gluten-free pizza screens? How do they keep them from getting all mixed in with the others? When the guy covering the oven pulls out the pizza, does he use a separate spatula? if so… where does he store it? When it’s busy, if you leave the oven even for a SECOND the pizzas start backing up, and then crumpling into each other as they come out of the oven.

I dunno— maybe the stores in my current area are filled with magical people who love their minimum wage job and don’t care about paying rent. But even aside from the whole money aspect, keeping the store running smoothly is a matter of pride, and those gluten-free pizzas are rare enough that they probably back things up. I just can’t see the whole store shutting down for the necessary time it would take to make sure everything is gluten-free, and I don’t know where else they would prepare the pizza other than the prep counter. I hope it’s not the back— Oh, Geez. PLEASE don’t be the back. We always scored in the high 90s for cleanliness in all the stores I worked, but man….. EW. That back was always NASTY.

You know what might be an interesting test, now that I think of it? Call Dominos A on a slow day (about noon on a Monday would be best) and ask the manager how/where they prepare the pizzas. Just ask him calmly, and don’t push or make him suspicious. Then pick Domino’s B about 6pm on a Friday night (or whenever your local Domino’s is busiest over there) and then phone in your gluten-free pizza order from your car. Then you can go inside and sit and see how the follow-through is. I bet it’s not great :P Heck, maybe I’ll do it, just to assuage my curiosity.

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