When a good uterus goes bad

by Veronica on November 5, 2010

in Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, My body is broken.

It’s interesting to visit both a public ob-gyn and then go visit a private one and then draw your conclusions about the health system from there.

I saw a new, private Gyn on Monday.

Honestly, it’s been a while since I walked out of an appointment that was for me, feeling like I had a plan and that I’d been listened to.

To recap, my last appointment in the public system was a bit of a shambles. My periods are very irregular, insanely heavy and very painful, I’ve been trying to get someone to take my claims of suspected endometriosis seriously, and fighting the system every step of the way.

So I went private, just to see if paying for the appointment would help with the whole listening thing.

And oooooh boy did it.

I told him my tales of woe, we talked about EDS a bit – but he knew enough about it that it was a conversation about my specific issues, rather than an educational speech on my part and then we got to the question and answers.

Both my children were conceived within a month of coming off the pill. I’ve never managed a pregnancy on my own – even my brief foray into possible blighted ovum territory had had some help from the pill. I have acne and body hair, lots of cramping etc etc etc.

He thinks it’s very likely that I have Polycystic Ovary Syndrome. We’ll be doing some investigations to see if there is underlying Endometriosis as well, which is likely and he also thinks there is a good chance I have something called Adenomyosis, which is practically undiagnosable at 21, because our medical imaging systems aren’t sensitive enough to detect it in early stages.

Which hey! I’ve always done health problems with style.

Yes?

Heh.

He was lovely. I’ve spent so long battling the system to be taken seriously (7 years for an Ehlers Danlos diagnosis anyone?) that I had really forgotten that when doctors are good, they’re very very good.

So, my uterus. It doesn’t work so well.

I haven’t really talked about it here because SOMEONE is completely against the idea, but Nathan and I had been trying quietly to get pregnant. We had been trying since Isaac was about 5 months old and for anyone not counting, he’s 21.5 months old now.

Almost 17 months.

And nothing.

However, when I told the public system that I’d been having trouble conceiving, they raised their eyebrows at me, looked at my age and the fact that I have 2 children and told me that there was no way, no how that I had fertility issues.

When um, yeah, it’s sort of looking like I probably have some fertility issues.

We’ve since stopped actively trying to get pregnant, Amy’s ASD issues and Isaac’s regression meant that we didn’t really have time to add another baby to the mix. But not actively trying and taking steps to avoid pregnancy are two different things. I still can’t take birth control and a latex allergy puts paid to condoms, so we’ve just been plodding along, waiting to see what happens.

Which incidentally, appears to be nothing.

It’s not surprising really, is it?

So. Bloods have been taken to check for PCOS and I’ll have an ultrasound at my next appointment to check my ovaries (which at last ultrasound, sometime before I conceived Isaac, my ovaries were irregularly shaped and the sonographer asked if I’d been doing IVF, because they were much larger than they should have been) and various other things.

Likely a laproscopy will be scheduled for sometime too, to have a look inside my uterus and see how it looks (I’m putting bets on black, gloomy and with little to no chance of sunshine) and then we’ll move on from there.

And in the meantime, I’ll just try not to panic about how much this is all costing me.

The private doctors might be good, but sheesh, they’re expensive too!

Kristin @ Peace, Love and Muesli November 5, 2010 at 11:03 am

I’m in Canada and we only have public doctors. Several times I’ve had to put my foot down and demand referral to a specialist for me or the kids. And for myself I spent a lot of money on a naturopathic doctor. She helped and I’m better. I hope you get your health issues resolved. A doctor that listens is worth the expense in my opinion.

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 12:30 pm

I normally see a GP, so for me, a gyno is a specialist in itself and I had to push for the referral. Sigh.

Trish November 5, 2010 at 11:07 am

It’s hard to find good OB/G I hope this one can sort out your issues.
It’s hard not being listened too and harder to suffer with real pain & period problems that are a bugga to live with.
Pity we have to pay to get listened too, the public system stinks.

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 12:31 pm

I am hoping so too.

It’s frustrating, I’ve been telling the other Gyn that I have issues and because I wouldn’t do the Mirena, he refused to try anything else, or look at causes. I agree, the public system stinks.

MeriLizzie November 5, 2010 at 11:24 am

I have PCOS, and had secondary infertility. My periods are horrible, cramps and lots of clots. I’m on the Ortho Evra birth control patch.

@MeriLizzie

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 11:31 am

How do the patches affect your EDS, if you don’t mind me asking?

MeriLizzie November 5, 2010 at 4:02 pm

I never thought about it before. I am sensitive to the glue on band-aids and often break out under and around the patch. I change the spot every week. The upside to the patch vs the pill is that with the pill I got a yeast infection every month, with the patch I don’t.

@MeriLizzie

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 4:13 pm

Do they make you bendier or more lax? I know that the regular pill makes me very bendy and I’m keen to avoid that as much as I can.

Glowless November 5, 2010 at 11:28 am

I sat here reading this nodding my head. I’ve been down the ‘WTF is wrong with me, can somebody pls just listen’ path before. I even had one specialist tell me I was making it all up and needed psychological help… how you can make up blood test results I’d really like to know.

All the best with the upcoming tests and finding a treatment that works for your body. And at least you’ll reach your medicare threshold sooner… yeah OK, that doesn’t help, does it?! Hehe.

Glowless x

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 12:32 pm

Yes! God, it gets to the point where you wonder if it *is* all in your head, because no one is listening!

Thanks 🙂

Fiona November 5, 2010 at 11:45 am

Private sucks, for the cost, but at least you can have some control there about how long you keep looking into something until you find answers.

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 12:32 pm

Exactly.

Fiona November 5, 2010 at 11:47 am

Oh, yeah, and I apparently have a partially septate uterus, which can lead to miscarriages… so I’ll see if that hits me in a couple of years when we start trying. It showed up on an ultrasound when I had a cyst at 19, before I was sexually active, so it was just brushed aside, but some tweets theother night, and the stuff with Lily Allen reminded me.

Only saying this here because I don’t know yet where else to say it. Because it’s jsut a worry at this stage, not a certain issue.
meh.

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 12:34 pm

I had to google for Sepate uterus. It can cause some major problems. I’m glad you know about it before you start trying, not after – forewarned and forearmed and all that jazz. I’ll cross fingers that it doesn’t cause any issues.

xx

Fiona November 5, 2010 at 1:27 pm

exactly. 😀

Rhonda November 5, 2010 at 11:52 am

My doc thinks it’s likely I have PCOS and endometriosis as well, I have one child and it seemed to get better, however he is now 10 and I have such painful cysts on my ovaries that they make me double over unable to move….we have been trying to get pregnant and no go….I wish you luck in getting this resolved because it is horrible to feel like this and have no answers.

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 12:35 pm

I had a few good months after the kids were born, but it didn’t last long. It would be nice if a baby was the ‘cure’ for Endo like a lot of doctors say it is.

MeriLizzie November 5, 2010 at 4:10 pm

After Meri I had a nice grace period. I was nursing so they put me on a low dose bc pill. By the time she was 3mo old I had a rather large cyst on my left ovary burst. I’ve had them as big as softballs. My right ovary is pretty much dead. Only time I’ve been able to get pregnant is right when I go off bc. After a few months my periods start getting further apart, one was 52 days and I wasn’t pregnant!

Suzanne
@MeriLizzie

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 4:14 pm

That sounds like me too, I haven’t been told I’ve got cysts (yet) but my periods are anywhere between 35 and 60 days apart. Annoying.

Jenni November 5, 2010 at 12:00 pm

Did you try for a long time before getting pregnant with Issac as well?

Well, I’m coming here to click on all your ads to help pay for those docs. Good luck!

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 12:41 pm

Yes, it took a long time to fall pregnant with Isaac and it was as I came off the pill that I conceived him. My body is odd.

Kristy November 5, 2010 at 12:02 pm

It’s worth it to get some real medial attention and answers! That’s great, well, I mean, now you have somewhere to go. I see a “specialist” obgyn evn though I don’t have to, just because of the attention and expertise I experience. Women’s health needs to be seen as so much more important, you know?

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 12:42 pm

It is worth it, even just to have someone listen to what I’m saying and take it seriously.

Mrs. C November 5, 2010 at 1:26 pm

Do the public docs just discount what the private people find/ are they completely different systems, or can you do some initial stuff privately and then somehow make the public system pay for the tests the private doc thinks are needed?

Veronica November 5, 2010 at 1:28 pm

If I’m really lucky, some private doctors work in the public system too, so I might be able to hedge my bets and get some here, some there.

But if not, yes, I’ll use his prelim results to push for further investigations on the public system.

achelois November 5, 2010 at 1:47 pm

Thinking of you Veronica. No words brain gone somewhere….

xoxoxoxo

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:00 pm

I know that feeling. xx

Jayne November 5, 2010 at 2:04 pm

Thank goodness you’re getting somewhere!
Think of going private as the short-term, as in there is a limit to your hip pocket hemorrhaging $ – get the tests done, have copies of everything in your hot little hand and when you get to the end of tests, go back to the public system or, better yet, see if your GP can manage your condition without relying on the public system.
You have the test results to back you up, they cannot disregard them and need to follow the recommended guidelines.

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:01 pm

Yep, that’s the plan. At the very least, then I’ll have the pieces of paper to tell other doctors that I’m not a head case.

Wacky Lisa November 5, 2010 at 2:16 pm

Another EDSer with PCOS here. I take Metformin to help control that, well the insulin resistance. I also have a tentative endo dx. (Haven’t had a lap to confirm it.)
I took OrthoNovum 777 for years but eventually that wasn’t working. Tried Seasonalle/Seasonique and that didn’t work but at least I didn’t go through hell as often. I’ve already told you about the Mirena.
BTW, I don’t handle Latex well myself tho I’m not sure it is an actual allergy. In the US I can get Durex Avanti condoms that are latex free, I think they’re some poly like compound.

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:03 pm

I am having a daft day – the mirena was bad for you? I’m hoping that something can be sorted out that doesn’t conflict with the EDS too much.

Also, is it just me, or does PCOS seem to go hand in hand with EDS?

Wacky Lisa November 7, 2010 at 4:18 am

The Mirena was a nightmare. I don’t know how it was from an EDS perspective. I was too busy being doubled over in pain and probably needing blood transfusions to notice.

I was just wondering if most women with EDS have PCOS. Endo also seems pretty common as well but not quite as common as the PCOS.

Cri November 5, 2010 at 2:45 pm

it took paying for a dr. here as well for me to get any results as well. good luck, i am glad thing are finally getting figured out!

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:04 pm

It shouldn’t have to, but it seems to be the way it works. Ugh.

Arienette November 5, 2010 at 2:50 pm

Oh man. You know I know 🙁 Bloody doctors and their bloody dismissals!
I also know what it’s like to KNOW that private is worth it but also know that no matter how worth it it is, there is a very finite, out-of-your-control limit to how much private you can do. I wanted marriage counselling a little while back but at at LEAST £50 ($80) for 50 minutes, I cannot justify that as a regular expense. I just can’t. It sucks to know that something is there, and that it would help so much, but that while the money is there, the ability to justify spending it really isn’t.

I’m glad the Gyn was helpful, and knowledgable, and I hope that before the money runs out, you have enough to go back to your GP with.

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm

Yes, private is so worth it, but oh my god, the cost! I’m hoping to get things sorted in a few appointments, so I can go back to the public system all tests in hand.

tiff November 5, 2010 at 4:11 pm

Glad someone listened to you.
Hope you get all the help you need.

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:14 pm

Me too, and thankyou. xx

Laura November 5, 2010 at 4:57 pm

I beleive good gynaes are worth their weight in gold.

I am glad that you seem to have some solid answers and a way forward!

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:14 pm

I agree, they definitely are!

sharon November 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm

Glad you are finally making some progress towards a diagnosis. If your new Gynae also works within the public system he may well be able to put you on his ‘public’ rather than ‘private’ list for surgical procedures which will reduce your costs. Worth asking anyway.

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:14 pm

Definitely something I’m going to ask about!

river November 5, 2010 at 7:16 pm

Doctors, well anyone really, who listen are worth their weight in gold.
Unfortunately their weight in gold is often what we end up paying.

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm

I know and it’s a shame. The public system seems to give them burnout, really fast.

Marylin November 5, 2010 at 9:06 pm

SO damn annoying that ‘regular’ doctors just won’t listen when you KNOW there’s something up. *hugs*

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:16 pm

I KNOW! And I’ve been asking if there could be something that needed investigating and no one has done anything. (Except my GP, who referred me in the first place, so they COULD check for causes).

A Cajun Down Under November 5, 2010 at 11:39 pm

Hope you are felling better soon and it doesn’t cost the earth.

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:17 pm

Thanks!

katie November 6, 2010 at 12:17 am

Veronica – I was diagnosed with PCOS when I was 21. It took 4 doctors who told me that I was just “stressed” and that if I just stopped being stressed, everything would work itself out, before I found my 5th doctor who actually listened to me and ran tests and listened to me more—then— gave me info on some support groups because quite honestly PCOS can really mess with your emotions.
Totally worth the extra cost!

Thinking of you.
Xx

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:18 pm

Ah, you’ve got to love how everything that is wrong with a reproductive system is stress related. Can’t get pregnant? JUST RELAX.

Wanderlust November 6, 2010 at 7:38 am

Well I’m at least glad you’ve found someone to take you seriously and give you some good information. Good luck with the tests. I hope you can take what you find back to the public system, though, to save some money. Seems none of us have got the health system right, doesn’t it?

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:19 pm

Being taken seriously is worth the money spent.

Our system isn’t too bad, but the doctors in the public system are very jaded and over it. Which is a shame, because it has the potential to be so good.

Watershedd November 6, 2010 at 10:39 am

Glad you’ve found a gynae who is prepared to listen and discuss. I think many more women suffer the sorts of menstrual and conception problems than just those talking here. so many of us go through our lives and give up chasing an answer. As I’ve said before, I’ve medicated my pain and bleeding for over twenty years and at 40, am having to re-adjust as what’s worked no longer does. It is taking it’s own toll.

Veronica November 6, 2010 at 4:20 pm

It’s hard, it really is. And most doctors telling us that we’ll just have to cope, doesn’t help at all. I hope you find something that works soon too. xx

SOMEONE November 7, 2010 at 7:02 am

Sweetheart, I am your Mother, it is my job to worry about you. Just because I worry that another pregnancy will be incredibly hard on you physically doesn’t mean you shouldn’t write about trying to conceive here. I would be failing in my job as your Mother if I didn’t offer advice that you didn’t want to hear. But I suppose by writing about your efforts to conceive here might make that advice come a bit more frequently hmm?

You have a completely broken body, Amy and Isaac are both bendy, the kids are incredibly demanding and super high maintenence. You don’t drive so you are trapped at home. Nathan is lovely and but he sleeps too much.

What am I supposed to say? Hey Sweety why don’t you try for twins?
I understand the yearning for another baby I truly do. and I will support you 100% in whatever you do. But my job as a mother is to sometimes say the stuff you don’t want to hear.
xxx

Fran November 8, 2010 at 11:52 am

I know that I’ll be unpopular but I would have to say that I totally agree with your Mum… Mums do need to say these things sometimes xo

Veronica November 8, 2010 at 11:56 am

Gosh no, YOU won’t be unpopular for saying it! I might not agree, or want to hear it, but I’m not going to growl about being told that maybe, another kid isn’t a good idea.

Realistically, I can see that another baby is a terrible idea. But that feeling in my gut that tells me I want a baby isn’t reasonable at all.

bigwords November 7, 2010 at 9:34 am

Good luck. Wishing you health, supportive doctors and a new baby xx

Veronica November 8, 2010 at 11:57 am

Thankyou 🙂

Kelley @ Magnetoboldtoo November 7, 2010 at 6:16 pm

suckage.

Mucho suckage.

Veronica November 8, 2010 at 11:57 am

You’re telling me. Broken is broken.

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